Yeah not toooo sure about stupid doormats?? But they are from Mars! (Not that there's anything wrong with that...!)

My personal feeling - to answer my posed question from earlier - is that it is not fair to say 'my body my choice' as a blanket statment when it comes to childbirth. If women want men involved then we have to be willing to have them genuinely involved ie give them a voice too, if they wish to use it. The only fair alternative, in my view, is to take the 'birth is Woman's business' perspective of Innana's. I'm not sure that we can have it both ways.