I didn't say all men were disengaged and stupid Slyder, I asked if they were as informed as the partners they are supporting, and whether some women felt let down because their partners didn't research. I didnt specifically mean men, I meant PARTNERS, or support persons.

I also don't think there have been many - if any - patronizing comments made in this thread, as generally people have been posting about their personal experiences.

I'm truly sorry if you have found this thread patronizing or offensive, but to come into a peaceful and intelligent discussion with guns blazing is not really the way to react, is it?

For my part, I started this thread after helping my sister write her birth plan, and her telling me that she knew she couldn't rely on her DH to support her, which she felt was because he refused to do ANY reading or listen to her thoughts on the matter. She felt unsupported for her last birth, so for this birth she has chosen her DH if he decides to come, myself, and a trainee midwife.
Berenice, there are no guns blazing, you've taken my post in a different manner than it was intended.

And none of my comments were directed at you. Your thread is an excellent one, and one worth having. A contrary opinion to some assertions in this thread doesn't mean we all have to get upset. I'm not upset.