Hugs to everyone who's had such awful experiences.
Yes DotFace, I'd already realised that there was a difference there. That's why I thought it might not be relevant.
I've just often wondered about my transfer and in the end the only way I could let go of some of the things that happened or the way they were dealt with was to see that at each step of the way everyone had been trying to do the best they could and there was no intention of harm.

Of course no one should be treated in the ways many of you have described and I've certainly seen some horrible things in the hospital system and the medical system more generally. Sometimes I think the system encourages nurses and doctors (who I'm sure all start out with the best intentions) to just stop seeing 'patients' as 'people'.

I see very little reason for birth to be included in the general medical system. No one is sick and nothing is wrong and things just seem to go down hill when someone comes in with the thinking that there is a patient with a problem that needs solving as quickly as possible.

(Really wish I could join you guys and birth this baby at home. I think it's fantastic what you are all doing, especially in Aus where homebirth doesn't yet seem to be so well accepted. Best wishes to you all)