Thanks Karend........that helped......this woman is nuts, literally......prime example.....we got married in oct 1993......a week before we got married she was calling saying she had another child to dh, a son and that it was born early and was in the NICU.....so i said fine give me all the details then and we will see it.....within 2 mins of saying it was in the NICU, she said we can't see it because it had passed away........then several months later we got a phoen call from CSA telling us that she tried to claim this child......they declined it due to the fact that she could not #1 provide a birth certificate and #2 she couldn't provide dna proof that dh was the father......then the guy at CSA then asked is it true that i was his 2nd wife......i nearly died.....he was never married to her and was only with her for a few weeks and then she suckered himin with this kid......we have had an AVO on her before, but because we no longer live in the city and she is now married.....go figure, she still wants to be a b$tch......it no longer holds.......kiya