Oh N2l. You are right. But it's not 'nice' to say it, really is it? It's not something people want to hear. I think the general population is oblivious, and in a way that's good for them. Whilst i do suffer pangs of envy towards those with very simple, straight forward TTC and pgs, i think the only way you can understand is to walk it - and i don't wish anyone to walk it, if they don't have to. I guess they have their own scars and traumas too.

It's a horrible thought, all the invasive proddings and pokings that you must have endured. And then injecting stuff into you which is just making it awful and so far far removed from that instense moment of beautiful passionate baby-making sexual encounter that some of us thought actually happened.

How can it not be life-changing? It will scar you forever. You are doing well to just feel angry and bitter at times. It must impact on every single part of your life.

L&B - It's seems too cruel and wrong that your two darling boys aren't living. And then to have to endure comments and have to rise above them? I can't begin to imagine how hard your next pregnancy will be, i doubt there is anyone who can. Traumatic doesn't seem enough. You have the strength of a lion and a bear.